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moggins

Joined: 24 Feb 2005
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Location: Gloucester

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 06 9:02 pm Post subject: Woodburner

I'm still seriously considering this even though DH has balked at the 1200 quid they wanted to charge us for lining the chimney. Trouble is I am wondering if they had a vested interest in selling us something we probably would not need. The people who swept my chimney (I have this done about every 2 years even though we have never used the fireplace) were also the ones who quoted for the chimney lining and they sell the woodburners too.

How do I honestly find out if my chimney needs lining or not?

sean
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Joined: 28 Oct 2004
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Location: North Devon

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 06 9:12 pm Post subject:
I think that it's a building regs/insurance requirement. Someone on here's OH installs woodburners/lines chimneys but I can't remember who, which isn't very helpful. Hopefully this will jog someone's memory.

wellington womble

Joined: 08 Nov 2004
Posts: 15051
Location: East Midlands

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 06 9:32 pm Post subject:

I'm sure we bought out woodburner flue off the net, for considerably cheaper than we could get it locally, but then yo'll still have to pay for someone to fit it, I guess (we had builders in anyway)

I'll also ask him about the flue. Because ours isn't in a chimney we had to have a double lined, insulated (or somesuch) one, not just a metal tube. In a chimney, I don't think you need it, as the insulation is the chimney.

Sorry - that's not really very helpful, is it? I'll ask himself.

moggins

Joined: 24 Feb 2005
Posts: 942
Location: Gloucester

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 06 9:42 pm Post subject:
Thanks, any help would be appreciated. A wood burner would really cut down our fuel costs, I'm trying to keep the heating down to a minimum but this bl**dy arthritis means the colder I get the less I can do and the woodburner would be in the room next to the kitchen which is the coldest room in the house.

judith

Joined: 16 Dec 2004
Posts: 22790
Location: Montgomeryshire

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 06 8:14 am Post subject:
You almost certainly will need a liner, but £1200 sounds very expensive to me. You should only need a single liner - we aren't talking twin-wall here. I would get another quote.

Andy B

Joined: 12 Jan 2005
Posts: 3920
Location: Brum

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 06 8:39 am Post subject:

https://www.clearviewstoves.com/index.htm

There's some info on here, £1200 to fit a lining does sound a bit expensive, ours was nearer £800 and that was a very tall chimney on a three story victorian end terrace. But it was 7 years ago so !!!
But i would get it done it, makes a difference to how the stove works and you wouldn't want a fire in your chimney. It also helps insulate the bricks from drying out which could over time ruin the mortar in the chimney.

moongoddess

Joined: 24 Jan 2006
Posts: 673

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 06 9:37 am Post subject:

My understanding is that a liner will not *prevent* a chimney fire at all. It simply means that a fire is easier to contain and control. Tar, resin and soot will still build up inside a liner, but if you have a fire with a liner you should be able to shut the woodburner right down and starve the fire of oxygen.

Andy B, can you elaborate on how having a flue effects the way a woodburner works please?

Namaste
mg x

Jenna

Joined: 30 Sep 2005
Posts: 263
Location: Away with the fairies

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 06 10:01 am Post subject:

Try www.stoveaccesories.co.uk - think you will need the double skinned, and also the next grade up from 316 (think it's 904 or something, heavier duty) for solid fuel cos the temperatures go so high. We will be doing ours as a DIY job but we are only single storey with very simple chimneys - need to narrow the 'aperture' for a burner as the full size chimney won't give proper 'suck'. You need to put a building regs application in to show that your installation will comply with current regs, don't know how much of a DIYer you are but if you're not sure you could always buy the ingredients and get a man to do the fitting?

moggins

Joined: 24 Feb 2005
Posts: 942
Location: Gloucester

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 06 10:12 am Post subject:
Well I've rung three people to come out and give me a quote. I've also found a website where they sell all the stuff you need and the prices seem really good. I don't suppose it's possible to do this job yourself though?

moggins

Joined: 24 Feb 2005
Posts: 942
Location: Gloucester

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 06 10:17 am Post subject:

Sorry Jenna I was posting at the same time as you. Our house is 3 stories high and I can't see DH wanting to get on the roof. There is a possibility I could find someone to fit it. I don't know the sizes we'll need or any accessories though. I really would prefer to buy the bits myself and get it fitted as I would know I'm not being ripped off for bits I don't need.

I've found the 904 liner, it costs 44.41 per metre, is that a good price? On the site though it seems to infer that you would only need 316 if you are just burning wood?

Jenna

Joined: 30 Sep 2005
Posts: 263
Location: Away with the fairies

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 06 10:24 am Post subject:

being a 'belt and braces' type of bird, I'm going with the 904 because I'm not sure what else I'll be burning, and I'd worry that the 316 would burn through and have to be replaced - but to be honest, I don't know if the 316 would be OK, hopefully someone with more clue will happen by and let us know! The size will depend on the flue diameter of your burner, and there are a few sites that will give you chapter and verse on everything you need to install the thing, but can't remember them off the top of me head.

moggins

Joined: 24 Feb 2005
Posts: 942
Location: Gloucester

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 06 10:29 am Post subject:
Right, I'm off on a DIY chimney lining info hunt

wellington womble

Joined: 08 Nov 2004
Posts: 15051
Location: East Midlands

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 06 10:34 am Post subject:

Just wonder about the fuel bill too - our annual wood purchase is higher than our annual gas bill, but then I live in the south east, where no one grows anything, and live in a terraced houuse, which is very cheap to heat. It's worth it, though, and I wouldn't want to live in a house without one (the only trouble is the rest of the house gets neglected, because I am always in the room with the woodburner in it!)

moggins

Joined: 24 Feb 2005
Posts: 942
Location: Gloucester

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 06 10:38 am Post subject:

That's the main reason I want one. I can get free wood by the bootload. and it would really reduce my fuel bills. Why I really want it is that my kitchen is freezing in winter and I never want to be in there but the woodburner would go in the huge fireplace in the dining room and feed the heat through to the kitchen. I have a huge radiator in the kitchen but there is a cupboard in front of it so I have to keep the radiator turned off.

Jonnyboy

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 23956
Location: under some rain.

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 06 10:41 am Post subject:

moggins wrote:

It'll work, our woodburner puts out around 2.5kw to the room and the rest (12 ish) to the central heating, we have a combined family room kitchen and both radiators are turned off.

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