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yummersetter

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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 12 10:53 pm Post subject:

We have quite a few large ash trees on our boundaries, some regrown after lopping and now 50ft tall, and three feet across the trunks at ground level. I'm dithering now about our earlier plans to coppice them again this winter, lots of pros and cons. They're very common here ( as elms were ) - the neighbouring village is called Ash and is surrounded by them.

Is Defra planning to disinfect the birds' feet? More likely to be spread by migrating flocks coming over from the east than by the few dogs still running in the woods after the recent disease warnings.

Rusticwood

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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 12 9:55 pm Post subject:
This might help with questions on the disease

Nicky cigreen

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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 12 10:06 pm Post subject:
so is there an advantage in coppicing now?

Ty Gwyn

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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 12 11:07 pm Post subject:

[quote="yummersetter:1298090"]We have quite a few large ash trees on our boundaries, some regrown after lopping and now 50ft tall, and three feet across the trunks at ground level. I'm dithering now about our earlier plans to coppice them again this winter, lots of pros and cons. They're very common here ( as elms were ) - the neighbouring village is called Ash and is surrounded by them.

Notty Ash by any chance,?lol

Rusticwood

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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 12 1:27 pm Post subject:

colour it green wrote:

so is there an advantage in coppicing now?

Coppice now and you can use the timber, get infected and the timber has to be destroyed

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We are treating C. fraxinea as a ‘quarantine’ plant pathogen, which means that we may use emergency powers to contain or eradicate it when it is found. This is being done in the form of Statutory Plant Health Notices which we serve on affected owners. In the case of nursery plants and recently planted young trees, we require owners to remove and destroy affected plants by burning or deep burial on site. Equivalent measures are being taken on land managed by the Forestry Commission, and this is the only available treatment to get rid of the disease.

Nicky cigreen

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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 12 2:18 pm Post subject:
righto

Hairyloon

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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 12 6:23 pm Post subject:
Fungus has been identified in Dumfries and Galloway, and also in Carmarthenshire...

Treacodactyl
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 12 6:36 pm Post subject:

Latest update on the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20219649

I notice it says: "Focus action on newly planted trees - don't cut down mature trees."

Does anyone know if any mature trees have been ordered to be cut down and burnt yet? As there seems to be so many locations where they've found it and they are also claiming it has blown over from Europe in some locations I tend to think there's little point in clear felling and burning swathes of mature trees any more.

yummersetter

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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 12 6:40 pm Post subject:
I was wondering if the regrowth from coppiced trees would be as vulnerable as newly-planted, the mature tree uncut could be more resistant. On the other hand, a winter's firewood would be more use than one big bonfire . . .

gritstone

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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 12 8:20 pm Post subject:
I've got about 1000 ash trees 10-15 years old on poor ground so not big about 20 odd feet. What do you think is the best thing to do.

Rusticwood

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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 12 9:38 pm Post subject:

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. Chalara dieback of ash is particularly destructive of young ash plants, killing them within one growing season of symptoms becoming visible. Older trees can survive initial attacks, but tend to succumb eventually after several seasons of infection.

This next bit is a follow on from the quote I did earlier

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In the case of trees in established woodland and similar situations, where the trees are much larger, less accessible and in a mixture with other tree species, we require biosecurity measures to be taken to contain the infection on the site while we work to gain an overall national picture of the extent of the disease. Once we have completed that assessment, we will have a better idea of whether it is practicable to attempt eradication of the disease from these sites by destroying the infected trees, or whether a strategy of containment is the only realistic option.

Not sure if the anyone knows what they are doing.
If you are going to be coppicing in the near future anyway you might as
well cut now and use it rather than risk it.
Gritstone that would be a lot of wood to use.

jamanda
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 12 9:43 pm Post subject:
We're in a heap of trouble if they start ordering felling We've hundreds of ash of all ages all mixed up with other things, much of it on very steep slopes.

Rusticwood

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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 12 9:51 pm Post subject:
Wouldn't worry about felling yet for mature trees,and hard to reach areas

Calli

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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 12 11:03 pm Post subject:
Very sad to report virulent in Portumna Forest Park...far too many dying trees

gritstone

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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 12 7:08 am Post subject:

Rw wrote

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Gritstone that would be a lot of wood to use.

They were planted after open casting and I've ended up with 5-6 acres of woodland. A third of the trees are ash, the rest oak and alder with a few other bits thrown in. I'd sooner start felling now and keep it than wait and have to burn it in situe. There must be resistant strains surely?

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