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dpack



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 23 12:10 pm    Post subject: wind Reply with quote
    

not much i can add

motives and donors lead to conditions and infrastructure

wind has less reptile fund cash than fossil

until the current torykipper rule is ended there is no point in trying to "go for the green crap" even if it would be better and cost the consumer less if sale price is based on harvest costs.

tahir



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 23 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

I'm not sure how much better Labour will do.

dpack



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 23 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

ed << delete will>> <<insert can>>

at least short term, basic stuff is going to have a high populace forcing as well as sensible practical motivations

holistic would be nice, dealing with multiple legacy and ongoing crisis would be a good start
I'm more than willing to let them try

tahir



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 23 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

dpack wrote:
I'm more than willing to let them try


Me too, but there's just so much disinformation and vested interests

dpack



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 23 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

i recon folk with vote with how much the leccy bill is and can i see a GP/consultant?etc

the culture war thing fails when the "cultured" fail to provide basic things folk expect on multiple spreadsheets,

lies fail when reality says hello at a personal level, be that poverty then and poverty now or a polluted beck in the nice village

jema
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 23 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

It's basically totally open corruption, but not a surprise as open corruption has been the standard for years now.
Both onshore and offshore wind being blocked by people with open links to fossil fuel companies.

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 23 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

It seems odd that the lower cost methods like solar are paid the same amount as more costly things like offshore wind. From what I have read (only in the papers), solar is a very nice profitable business at the moment. It does seem stupid not to encourage all forms of renewable energy where possible as we need to get away from gas and oil electricity generation.

They talk of geothermal as something new; apart from the pre-Roman use of a hot spring at Bath, there has been at least one thermal generation project going for over 50 years.

dpack



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 23 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

jema wrote:
It's basically totally open corruption, but not a surprise as open corruption has been the standard for years now.
Both onshore and offshore wind being blocked by people with open links to fossil fuel companies.


yep, same as various other places and from various other vested interests re taxation, procurement, permissions, bragging schemes that only profit donors and cronies, privatizations etc.

not always direct cash, the revolving doors from gov to boardrooms and lobbies is also a large corrupting factor.

then there is the conflict of interests stuff with investment players and insider dealing by combining playing the markets with political decisions, leave night and truss/kwartang spring to mind

then there are the personally corrupt ones who are open to leverage regarding their affairs and are blatantly using their position to protect/develop their interests

dpack



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 23 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

and fire

Ty Gwyn



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 23 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

The Bowen Basin area is Coking coal for the steel industry,not electricity generation.

dpack



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 23 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

steel is going for hydrogen

Ty Gwyn



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 23 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Apparently£500million softner is being thrown at Tata to build 2 big Arc furnaces,with the potential of 3,000 job losses.

The only ,as far as i`m aware,commercial hydrogen steel making plant thatmakes a profit is in Saudi and that sits on top of a gas field.

Mistress Rose



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 23 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Reading up on it a while ago when this came up, hydrogen may be the way forward, but at present it isn't main stream. Of course we could go back to charcoal, but it needs an awful lot of charcoal.

dpack



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 23 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

tata have some interesting connections

ps the best steel i own was made with iron sand and charcoal+ bellows and a hammer

gz



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 23 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

[quote="dpack:1517643"]tata have some interesting connections
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Family connections

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