i still need to identify 3, perhaps 4 if that one has two different grafts which is possible, types.
so far they are unnamed by me or by localish experts, not tried global/dna experts yet
afaik they are old varieties rather than "new ones" but old can have forgotten its name and address
the chap i asked last knew several thousand by sight but these were not in his registry, nor in his library
spose bring them on (i might have a good spot for them on an allotment but i do know a few orchards) and see how they develop.
they are all on enthusiastic rootstocks so they have good feet whatever the top is.
having explored some ancient ones of york there are reasons why many old varieties have gone out of use but if they have survived they have merit for robustness even if there are easier or tastier types and the russety one is ace
the "mother plant" of the russet got a crown prune a few years back which has more than doubled the fruit size so i recon the graft might do rather well in a few years
i need to go and collect a few scions from so far unsuccessful tries on a other "unknown and ancient" examples
I only have one tree here,no idea what its name is,was told when i came here it was a dual variety as some apples are all green and others are reddish/green,having given away 8 carrier bags full,plus the buckets and bags on the kitchen floor and the apple pie in the oven which should be ready in 10mins or so.