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dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 43890
Location: yes

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 25 2:18 pm Post subject: how does your garden grow?

here, oddly well although it is a yard rather than garden

considering the assorted "landscape" changes and the old and new plants
things seem ok

the japanese seeds are very viable, big radish, green thing, purple thing(cabbage stuff is more for tt than me), the cucumber and aubergine seeds await planting after i am convinced frost season is over which will be soon

the roses of protection are both looking well and growing enthusiastically

the thyme variety plugs are 3x the size they were and looking happy

i did manage to establish rocket as a self sower, it is perfect as salad now, some is flowering well for the next gen seeds

the bramble has taken to a deep trim and new structure

the "weeds" (food and medicines )seem to be following on month by month

i only have one type of mint at the mo as the black mint jumped pots and displaced some sort of soft green one

there will be a mint keeper with other options available

ditto rosemarys

fancy lavenders are a waste of space, the one that is thriving is fine.

i recon intensive, mixed and organic might work alright here
after 18 yrs of observing the place the alterations were probably overdue.

gz

Joined: 23 Jan 2009
Posts: 9078
Location: Ayrshire, Scotland

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 25 6:53 pm Post subject:
Garlic from late autumn planting doing well. A dozen leeks still standing from last year. Going through seeds chitting them to see if I have anything viable...storage conditions haven't been ideal...and fresh seeds are expensive

gz

Joined: 23 Jan 2009
Posts: 9078
Location: Ayrshire, Scotland

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 25 6:54 pm Post subject:
Can this double thread be combined please

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 16293

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 25 7:22 am Post subject:
My autumn sown onion sets are doing well, the potatoes are in and I have leek, carrot, mangetout peas, purple sprouters and summer cabbage growing indoors ready to be hardened off. Last years crops were a disaster as most got eaten by slugs and snails. The primroses in the lawn are beginning to give way to the cowslips, and the fritillaries are towards their end.

Slim

Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Posts: 6679
Location: New England (In the US of A)

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 25 10:26 am Post subject:
Wait, I thought cowslip was what y'all called primrose? My grandmother used cowslip to describe marsh marigold

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 43890
Location: yes

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 25 11:02 am Post subject:
latin helps a bit, although it is not always definitive uk "rustic" plant names are varied from region to region, a blah here might not be the blah there etc double that issue for from forage to sale names and some have multiple names even in the same place or their name is a different plant in a different place it does make old herbal knowledge etc a bit tricky at times

Nicky cigreen

Joined: 25 Jun 2007
Posts: 9932
Location: Devon, uk

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 25 11:28 am Post subject:

Slim wrote:

Wait, I thought cowslip was what y'all called primrose?

My grandmother used cowslip to describe marsh marigold

cowslips and primroses are different plants, although they are related. Primroses are much more common than cowslips.
Cowslips arrive later than primroses and are taller.

NorthernMonkeyGirl

Joined: 10 Apr 2011
Posts: 4656
Location: Peeping over your shoulder

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 25 7:40 pm Post subject:
To me, approximately, cowslips are primroses but with the flower up on a stalk

NorthernMonkeyGirl

Joined: 10 Apr 2011
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Location: Peeping over your shoulder

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 25 7:40 pm Post subject:
To me, approximately, cowslips are primroses but with the flower up on a stalk

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 16293

Posted: Sat Apr 19, 25 8:30 am Post subject:

Primrose are Primula vulgaris, but unfortunately that is also used for different coloured cultivated primroses as well. The ones I am talking about are a pale yellow and come into flower quite early. Cowlsips are Primula veris[i] and are a darker yellow with a cluster of flowers on a long stem. The flowers are smaller and have a long green calyx behind them. They come out rather later than primroses, but will hybridise to make false oxlips.

Marsh marigolds are also called Kingcups to confuse things even further but are Caltha palustris[i].

I must admit to having to look up all the Latin names as for some reason I have a great deal of difficulty remembering most of them, but it does help when dealing with plants on different continents.

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 16293

Posted: Sat Apr 19, 25 8:31 am Post subject:

Primrose are Primula vulgaris, but unfortunately that is also used for different coloured cultivated primroses as well. The ones I am talking about are a pale yellow and come into flower quite early. Cowlsips are Primula veris[i] and are a darker yellow with a cluster of flowers on a long stem. The flowers are smaller and have a long green calyx behind them. They come out rather later than primroses, but will hybridise to make false oxlips.

Marsh marigolds are also called Kingcups to confuse things even further but are Caltha palustris.

I must admit to having to look up all the Latin names as for some reason I have a great deal of difficulty remembering most of them, but it does help when dealing with plants on different continents.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 43890
Location: yes

Posted: Sat Apr 19, 25 2:15 pm Post subject:

Mistress Rose wrote:

Primrose are Primula vulgaris, but unfortunately that is also used for different coloured cultivated primroses as well. The ones I am talking about are a pale yellow and come into flower quite early. Cowlsips are Primula veris[i] and are a darker yellow with a cluster of flowers on a long stem. The flowers are smaller and have a long green calyx behind them. They come out rather later than primroses, but will hybridise to make false oxlips.

Marsh marigolds are also called Kingcups to confuse things even further but are Caltha palustris.

I must admit to having to look up all the Latin names as for some reason I have a great deal of difficulty remembering most of them, but it does help when dealing with plants on different continents.

it helps when dealing with plants in different books or villages

im not good at it, i probably have my "own" name for half the plants i know
i have no idea of the latin for vetches, i can name 30 reliably with a vernacular and descriptive title
for most food/medicine/forage plants i use vernacular names which often are more detailed or descriptive than the latin
although the latin is useful when learning what other folk say of a plant

"garden"plants often get the latin family name and the strain name,
rosa rugosa: albertine covers the thing definitively in 3 words
some can be done in 2 words if the family is not an extended one

keeble is a good basic naming book for modern names, old herbals are easier if there is a drawing of the thing mentioned, the ones that are the name only are variable depending on whether you can id the plant being refered to

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 16293

Posted: Sun Apr 20, 25 8:29 am Post subject:

Yes, I use Keeble Martin, but of course even the Latin names change as genetics finds out more about various plants, and also botanists change their minds. Latin names are useful as here, when we are trying to identify plants to someone on a different continent who may have only seen the plant in pictures, or under a completely different name. I understand for instance, that bluebell in the US (and sometimes in Scotland where harebells are called bluebells I think) are not the same as our Hyacinthoides non-scripta.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 43890
Location: yes

Posted: Sun Apr 20, 25 12:12 pm Post subject:

gz wrote:

Can this double thread be combined please

yep please, i have no idea how that occurred , it puzzled me

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