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Slim

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Location: New England (In the US of A)

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 22 12:25 pm Post subject:
The second male cat here was immediately fascinated with the old man, who was entirely disinterested in return. The dynamic has shifted over the past 8 months or so to one of reluctant acceptance, with a range of behaviors from old man beating the stuffing out of young punk (just to make it loudly clear who's in charge, no real damage) all the way to old man bathing young punk by tongue.

dpack

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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 22 4:40 pm Post subject:

the Burmese lilac point on pale brown was as unlike a cat as any feline i have ever met, a rescue posh one who lived happily with a free-range pet rat

the standard seal points i knew as a kid were charming, aloof but still quite catty

as cats go the SEA ones are better than some i have met, of the ones that have lived with me the half Scottish wildcat one had most style but he was horrible in amusing ways
cat, a london go home with him stray was charming and just blended in for 17 yrs(good mouser)

the big square faced new york street cats have some merit, i would not take one in as lord of the manner.

im not speciesist, really, but they........

i recon diplomacy with felines is as far as i wish to go

NorthernMonkeyGirl

Joined: 10 Apr 2011
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Location: Peeping over your shoulder

Posted: Sat Mar 26, 22 4:36 pm Post subject:

I may be trying to stop myself taking on a rescue, an adult ex-breeding dog (risk of health issues probably sadly higher). Current bitch likes a young man when out and about, don't know what she'd think about bringing the young man home though

(She is spayed and the snip would be high on the priority list for him)

When introducing, expecting silliness initially, how long would you sit with everyone to get a better idea of what they think after novelty has worn off?

dpack

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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 22 7:02 pm Post subject:

a few days? probably enough to work out if you both want to keep it.

not as a "move". take it for a walk, invite it for a meal etc, get to know it. Play, snooze share body odour

i take to some canines, others are a task i do not need or best with somebody else

one mutt on mutt adjustment did not get difficult in the first few months, then it needed robust action, then all was sorted(the yellow hell hound and the wolf were a splendid team once they understood i was in charge and they had to work together. that was the instant beer in every orifice school of dog training, no one got hurt
most mutts are far less"challenging" than those two
a few of the downsizer crew met them as a pair when they were quite mature

ki sorted mr chompski's position after a couple of days, shaking him by the nose was a fairly clear message of his role as her palace eunuch

at the mo mr chompski has to wear his basket if he shows the slightest assertiveness
i am teaching her, not him, he does not get to decide anything(he is daft as a brush and although mostly nice etc he is not good at decisions)

odd game mutt whispering, it can be loud and quiet

if you start as pack enforcer, leader will emerge, and they will play happy families having been strangers

dpack

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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 22 7:12 pm Post subject:

ps mutts are puppies in most ways, they are also a bit wolfy

it is not normal for a wolf pack to take in a stranger(unless there is a serious personnel deficiency in the pack), mutts can be a bit easier as in many ways they are wolf puppies and very adaptable to social changes

adult mutt and a new pup or another senior dog needs care, but it is not usually too difficult if you know at least one of them

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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Posted: Sat Mar 26, 22 7:15 pm Post subject:

The two cats were introduced the first evening, which didn't work out. Molly attacked, but no seriously, and siamese defended itself, but not seriously. They have been kept apart for a couple of days; Molly inside the house, siamese in conservatory. They were introduced again today and although Molly hissed, the other one submitted and they walked off I think. Not safe to leave them together yet, but progress. Just as well as it is upsetting our son rather.

NorthernMonkeyGirl

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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 22 8:53 am Post subject:

Mistress Rose wrote:

Defnitely sounds like progress to me

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 22 6:30 am Post subject:
Well it seems Siamese is now allowed in the house by Molly. I will hear the full story when some comes to work today, but they seem to have accepted each other, or at least Molly has accepted the siamese, which is rather more to the point.

NorthernMonkeyGirl

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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 22 9:04 am Post subject:

NorthernMonkeyGirl wrote:

So we met, and he seems sweet and was quite attached to current people. Bit of mutual bum sniffing (between dogs

) and walked quite nicely without hassling. But my girl didn't seem overly impressed. Which is fine, until I compared how she was later that day with a collie boy - utterly in love at first sniff. She's exhausted today because of all the prancing around

So, overall, not convinced the little Cav is the right fit but also he's not a bad little thing.

dpack

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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 22 6:21 pm Post subject:

it would be best if both of you take to a new adoptee

mr chompski must be polite and i will set a good example.

ki going did leave a bit of a gap for mutt trains mutt as he is .......ummm i am trying to be diplomatic......... best suited to being the best he can be and should probably avoid extra responsibility as he is very busy with teaching cooking for mutts and a variety of physiotherapy skills

Mistress Rose

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 22 7:33 am Post subject:

Question is, do you want a dog yours is 'in love' with or just 'good friends'. I assume dogs are a bit like people in that respect, but have no experience of them so don't really know.

Siamese is getting on quite well. Both cats seem to have tolerated each other in the house yesterday, or more to the point, Molly seems to have tolerated the siamese. Son not sure whether it is all real or an act put on to upset them and remind them that the cats are the boss at the moment, so progress.

dpack

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 22 9:51 am Post subject:

Question is, do you want a dog yours is 'in love' with or just 'good friends'. I assume dogs are a bit like people in that respect, but have no experience of them so don't really know.

well, ummm, how long is a stick etc, i dont bother with sticks

2 "puppies" can work, a "power couple" can work, "comrades" can work, palace eunuch can work
the human gets to choose is best if the human knows how things work

love from chompski

NorthernMonkeyGirl

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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 22 7:57 pm Post subject:
After some reflection, have decided that the chap we saw isn't a match for us, but also said I'd keep an eye out for an older or lazy one coming in.

dpack

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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 22 5:16 am Post subject:

wise, a "new"canine in the pack is far more complicated than most consider it

it has to be right for "new mutt" you, and any "old mutt" in the family

human/canine pack is a strange dynamic, both species need their needs supplied, usually it is the human that makes the decisions,

mutts do sometimes adopt, if they do just go with it, it will work out fine

a few doughts from established mutt is normal, extreme violence is possible, the human should be pack enforcer

love from chomps

ps my princess shook me by the nose to establish i am who i am, the man saved me from a parpless existence after 3 shakes, he was a bit slow but he was laughing too much, i was rude and she did have good cause

oops he got the keyboard, pack enforcer says listen to mutts but you choose, it is easier if they want to be family, they will decide who has what role, that is best directed and used well to create a humutt life that works for all

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 22 9:00 am Post subject:
We met the Siamese yesterday. Honour was satisfied with both cats by using one hand to stroke one and the other hand the other cat. Siamese is a bit cheeky, rather more vocal than Molly (which doesn't take much as she is a cat of few words), very slim and delicate looking. Rather than scent mark a hand she tends to give tiny licks. We made sure we pain attention to both equally of course.

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