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dpack
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Nicky cigreen
Joined: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 9750 Location: Devon, uk
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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 24 9:10 am Post subject: |
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jema wrote: |
I'm looking at the moment at the price of 2020 Nissan Leafs, they seem to be going for £7,500.
That's some pretty tragic depreciation, but there are loads of people where buying at that price would pay back in a couple of years compared to diesel.
There's some number where if you are commuting more than that number a day then it's crazy not to be running an EV now if you can charge at home.
It is probably lower than 50 miles a day now. |
but for my relatives who bought a secondhand Nissan Leaf, it didn't work out like that - the car had a 30 mile range fully charged, which was not enough for their needs, they were unable to sell it on, and lost all their money on it. I'm not surprised at the 'tragic depreciation', given their reputation - they are known for poor battery and loss of range. I think they would only be financially viable for people doing daily short commutes and either own another car or never want to go on longer journeys. I wouldn't touch them.
People buying new EVs now, need to do so recognising they are unlikely to depreciate in the same way as ICE cars. They may never see their money again, which is unfortunate if life circumstances change, if they made the wrong choice etc.
Personally, I don't really consider depreciation when purchasing a car - I buy it, then run it into the ground. The question for me is not what it is worth in a year or two, but how long will it last before I have to replace it. so the equation for me is - yes EVs have fewer moving parts, therefore in theory last longer, however maintenance and replacement parts are a LOT more expensive, and, with the kind of driving I do, how long would it continue to serve me. I don't have these answers, but it doesn't look good for the Nissan leaf, compared to buying an ICE |
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dpack
Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 45821 Location: yes
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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 24 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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our 2 gen bikes are nearly a decade old, batteries fine, mechanicals fine, less bother than gen one
a similar price at new to a pedal only bike of similar quality, worth 60%+ as much now as when new
40% dep over a decade seems pretty good, and they are still very functional(I'm not but that is a different matter)
with all mass market products, there are good uns and bad uns
if you think of it like ice cars, from new to at home they drop at least 30%
after that most return to the earth quite quickly losing value as they go
the good uns last well and are easily mended, after the first drop they drop steadily until they go up in price as "classics"
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you could charge at home on low tariff leccy?
would like to buy once and keep long term?
you are rural, on uk road surfaces, need to transport persons and "stuff" ?
imho there are reasonably priced EVs that fit those criteria
im not sure which will be best at long term, long term is often a surprise rather than designed in, some are made to last, most are made for profit now
if it is a long term thing avoid SH first gen and most 2nd gen
do research on prices specs etc
get an oily one to give it eyeball and poke to establish if it is well-built as a body/running gear etc, uk road surfaces are degraded to dirt road standards in parts
get a new un, hopefully a well made one and tweak it for your needs
ps the last almost decent "rural"nissan was the cherry, not very long-lasting though |
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dpack
Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 45821 Location: yes
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tahir
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 45514 Location: Essex
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Nicky cigreen
Joined: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 9750 Location: Devon, uk
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jema Downsizer Moderator
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 28163 Location: escaped from Swindon
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jema Downsizer Moderator
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 28163 Location: escaped from Swindon
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Nicky cigreen
Joined: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 9750 Location: Devon, uk
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Posted: Thu Jun 13, 24 10:14 am Post subject: |
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jema wrote: |
Nicky cigreen wrote: |
but for my relatives who bought a secondhand Nissan Leaf, it didn't work out like that - the car had a 30 mile range fully charged, |
Well that's plainly misselling to someone who didn't know to check the range and battery health before they bought..... |
well obviously they bought a lemon. But that is my point.. of course Nissan leafs have depreciated dramatically if second hand ones have knackered useless batteries that will cost more than the whole car to replace. A bit of googling suggests they were not unique, this is a well known issue with Nissan leaf.
I agree with Dpack here - I would steer away from a 1st gen and most 2nd gen SH EVs
If folk can afford a new EV, great, but it should be noted, for those that like to driver newer cars, there is no certainty they will get a lot on trade in, as people wise up to the potential problems. For those of us with a smaller budget, the way forward feels a bit of a minefield.
I'm sorry for my relatives who made a mistake with their purchase, but it did provide a good lesson for the rest of us. |
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tahir
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 45514 Location: Essex
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dpack
Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 45821 Location: yes
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tahir
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 45514 Location: Essex
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Nicky cigreen
Joined: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 9750 Location: Devon, uk
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dpack
Joined: 02 Jul 2005 Posts: 45821 Location: yes
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Posted: Thu Jun 13, 24 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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tahir wrote: |
dpack wrote: |
if folk can put new leccy in an old ice frame |
Very expensive atm, but will be much cheaper in a couple of years |
i know, but it is proof of principal
that moves, this pushes it is an old tradition
chops, rods and oh dear oh dear have skills that could easily be adapted to ev stuff
tools is tools, the manual and the next thought have been applied for human history
mad maxing an ev seems easy, repair should be easy for normal ones
the 3rd gen stuff now should be long lasting compared to ice
800 hp from a 45 kilo motor, wow, that is another part of the ev equation
ps if i win the lottery that i do not play, i get to spec the 2500hp off road daft fast small monster, hope you have a compression suit |
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tahir
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 45514 Location: Essex
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