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dougal
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 Posted: Wed Nov 15, 06 9:55 am Post subject: |
 
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| Silas wrote: |
| So, just to clear things up, can you tell me what is the current rate of VED on a navara £210.00 or £110.00? |
I'm sorry if my previous answer was too complicated for you.
It seems that the (petrol-engined) Navara exploits a loophole that is due to be closed in six weeks time.
Vehicles currently being registered are not currently taxed on the basis of their CO2 emissions.
As I have consistently said, if it were taxed on that basis it would be in the very highest £210 band, because the figures I have found (and cited, so you can check them) show its CO2 emissions as being 226gm/km (or more).
Those CO2 figures place it among the most-polluting private vehicles on the road.
You have made the completely unsupported assertion that those figures I cited and demonstrated were "sadly out of date".
Silas, unless you can provide authoritative sources for massively better figures, then its time to accept that the Navara is NOT "very clean".
The truth is exactly the opposite of your original claim.
The (petrol) Navarra's current VED rate is despite, not because of, its high CO2 emissions. |
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dougal
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 06 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| Silas wrote: |
| So, just to clear things up, can you tell me what is the current rate of VED on a navara £210.00 or £110.00? |
I'm sorry if my previous answer was too complicated for you.
It seems that the (petrol-engined) Navara exploits a loophole that is due to be closed in six weeks time.
Vehicles currently being registered are not currently taxed on the basis of their CO2 emissions.
As I have consistently said, if it were taxed on that basis it would be in the very highest £210 band, because the figures I have found (and cited, so you can check them) show its CO2 emissions as being 226gm/km (or more).
Those CO2 figures place it among the most-polluting private vehicles on the road.
You have made the completely unsupported assertion that those figures I cited and demonstrated were "sadly out of date".
Silas, unless you can provide authoritative sources for massively better figures, then its time to accept that the Navara is NOT "very clean".
The truth is exactly the opposite of your original claim.
The (petrol) Navarra's current VED rate is despite, not because of, its high CO2 emissions. |
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dougal
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Silas
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 06 10:24 am Post subject: |
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| dougal wrote: |
| Silas wrote: |
| So, just to clear things up, can you tell me what is the current rate of VED on a navara £210.00 or £110.00? |
I'm sorry if my previous answer was too complicated for you.
It seems that the (petrol-engined) Navara exploits a loophole that is due to be closed in six weeks time.
Vehicles currently being registered are not currently taxed on the basis of their CO2 emissions.
As I have consistently said, if it were taxed on that basis it would be in the very highest £210 band, because the figures I have found (and cited, so you can check them) show its CO2 emissions as being 226gm/km (or more).
Those CO2 figures place it among the most-polluting private vehicles on the road.
You have made the completely unsupported assertion that those figures I cited and demonstrated were "sadly out of date".
Silas, unless you can provide authoritative sources for massively better figures, then its time to accept that the Navara is NOT "very clean".
The truth is exactly the opposite of your original claim.
The (petrol) Navarra's current VED rate is despite, not because of, its high CO2 emissions. |
Just for your information - there is no petrol engine Navara for sale in the UK.
Like to try again? |
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Silas
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dougal
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Silas
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dougal
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 06 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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Silas, I've found Nissan's own brochure
https://www.nissan.co.uk/NMGB/en_GB/ebrochure/Nissan_Navara.pdf
The currently quoted emission figures for the diesel Navara are 264 or 283 gm/km - as quoted by Nissan.
This is not a "very clean" vehicle.
I regret flattering it by quoting the lower figure of 226 gm/km which applied to the petrol engine.
I accept that the figure I quoted was "out of date".
The true and current figure shows it to be even worse a polluter than I had suggested. |
So you agree then that you got the VED wrong, the emmissions wrong and the fact that they do not produce a petrol engined Navara for the UK wrong.
Impressive. |
Silas, I challenged your ridiculous assertion that this 9 mpg (Nissan's figure, brochure page 8 ) gas guzzler was "very clean".
And instead of substantiating your claim, or accepting its falsehood, you seem to prefer to attack me personally.
My error was to *under*estimate the pollution this whopper produces. I admit that freely.
I quoted the figure that best supported *your* case, rather than exaggerate my case.
When I posted
The *only* error was in using 226 instead of 264 or 283 gm/km.
If taxed on the basis of its CO2 emissions, it certainly *would* be in the highest bracket, actually putting out almost two and a half times the CO2 of a Fiesta or C2.
There would indeed appear to be a technical loophole allowing these vehicles, first registered during the period between September 06 and December 06 to qualify for £110 VED this year.
However, to try and claim that that is evidence of this gas guzzler being "very clean" defies both fact and logic.
| Silas wrote: |
Complete farce.
The new Nissan Navara, which is amongst the biggest of the 4x4 is euro 4 compliant and is very clean the road tax is only £110.00 per year.
Just whjat exactly are they trying to achieve? |
*All* I'm trying to achieve is the recognition that this is nothing whatsoever like a "very clean" vehicle.
It is condemned by its own sales brochure as a gas guzzler.
I do have to wonder just what Silas might be trying to achieve.
In all this, its highly significant and amusing to note Nissan's advertising slogan
"NISSAN NAVARA - It gets respect"
What could more perfectly signpost the psychology of the buyer of one of these monsters? |
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