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cab



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 05 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Looks like guelder rose or something like it; Viburnum opulus, although I'm wondering whether it's an odd variety.

Nanny



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 05 7:04 pm    Post subject: what's this Reply with quote
    

i agree with cab it's the guelder rose and the berries will go bright red.....lot's them where we take the dogs for a run....

apparently you can make a jelly with them though i have never tried

cab



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 05 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Ain't the most exciting jelly.

Nanny



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 05 7:25 pm    Post subject: what's this Reply with quote
    

i had noticed that the birds don't eat those berries until all else is finished so they clearly aren't all that excited either

moogie



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 05 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Thank you for your help!

jumbalaya
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 05 6:35 pm    Post subject: guelder rose Reply with quote
    

Hiya,

Just passing through and saw your piccy. That is guelder rose though not fully ripened.

wildfoodie



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 05 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Ithe leaves of guelder rose viburnum opulus are lobed in three points. The pic doesn't look like it to me. I have heard that the berries should be cooked and aren't suitable for eating raw... anyone else heard this?
jacky

wildfoodie



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 05 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

oh scrap that previous bit about the pic - I see on closer inspection they are lobed... in threes too.

cab



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 05 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Hi Jackie!

In David C Langs excellent "The Complete Book of British Berries" there is the following:

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The berries of guelder rose are of very low toxicity but may cause vomiting if eaten raw. They contain tannin, resins, valerianic acid and a glycoside which has been called viburnine


So not desperately toxic raw, and probly safe unless ingested in copious quantities. Not terribly nice, though.

wildfoodie



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 05 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Hi Cab!
thanks for that. Nice to hear about your prodigous foraging exploits this year! been too busy to do much other than read stuff here, but have had some good hauls of wild food myself - currently on a 'shroom and berry frenzy!

cab



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 05 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

wildfood junkie wrote:
Hi Cab!
thanks for that. Nice to hear about your prodigous foraging exploits this year! been too busy to do much other than read stuff here, but have had some good hauls of wild food myself - currently on a 'shroom and berry frenzy!


It's been a great autumn, hasn't it? What kind of things have you been finding?

wildfoodie



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 05 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

most recently,
field, horse and parasol mushrooms, fairy ring champignons boletus (not many) tawny grisettes, dewberries ( good to add to the late season blackberries for much needed acidity.) currently doing hawthorn sloes and rosehips for some jellies, cheeses and fruit leathers. I haven't used rose hips for leathers before and I suspect it'll be a lot of effort for very little result but I have a good stash of extra fat ones so we'll see. tempted too to use 'em to flavour up the haw berry pulp - which is also low in acidity.
earlier this year I did fat hen and st georges to the max, got a few morels (not a great year I thought) tried sea kale and limpets on holiday in cornwall. I also did a lot of flowers but was away in late may/june and missed elderflower! Hugh's nettle beer recipe went down a treat, and packed a bigger punch than I was expecting - hic! will definitely be doing that again!

cab



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 05 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

wildfood junkie wrote:
got a few morels (not a great year I thought)


You've had a good year! There must be something I can offer to trade for a look at your morels next year. I don't need to see the patch, that obviously won't happen, but I haven't got a good photograph of a morel because I haven't found any good ones in donkeys years.

I've also never found a tawny grisette in Cambs, which is a shame. Seems to be puffball and horse mushroom city

wildfoodie



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 05 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

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I've also never found a tawny grisette in Cambs

I ventured into Suffolk for those, wasn't expecting to find them but there you go. One of the best bits about foraging is the odd surprise item that I find in patches I've visited before. A bit like a 'this week's special offer ' shelf in the supermarket, but infinitely more rewarding and tasty!
I'll probably have to go back to suffolk for beechnuts as all the trees on my regular haunts are taking a break from nut production this year.

what you say on this thread and elsewhere about not sharing foraging sites has been on my mind this year. I think there's good reasons for keeping a site secret - perhaps the most important being the risk of degradation because of too frequent/inconsiderate picking. I also believe that the value of foraging is enhanced when you find something yourself - as my knowledge builds I can see how a little nature know-how enables me to fine tune my search , often this is no more complicated that a feeling that this site looks good for x or y or z. eg birch on sandy soils good for boletus, damp ditch edges good for morels.
plus it would be a blinding insult to go to a site you shared and find it cropped with nothing left.
But I do think that involvong folk with nature is the easiest way to get them motivated about taking care of it. And its good that more people are getting interested in foraging ( I just started my third wild food in the kitchen course at Impington village college ) and several people have suggested a local foragers group would be a good idea. I have a sense that the downsize community could work really well as a physical group, perhaps some kind of a get together to share recipes, produce gluts and walks in the country.? what do you and others here think? Most of my students this year have said how they would like to build their confidence in plant ID and this involves taking people out in the field. So far I've stuck to fairly large and relatively public sites and used the walks as a guide to what is around as opposed to a group forage.
I'd be interested to hear what people think of this dilemma - newbie foragers and seasoned ones.
jacky

cab



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 05 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

wildfood junkie wrote:

what you say on this thread and elsewhere about not sharing foraging sites has been on my mind this year. I think there's good reasons for keeping a site secret - perhaps the most important being the risk of degradation because of too frequent/inconsiderate picking. I also believe that the value of foraging is enhanced when you find something yourself - as my knowledge builds I can see how a little nature know-how enables me to fine tune my search , often this is no more complicated that a feeling that this site looks good for x or y or z. eg birch on sandy soils good for boletus, damp ditch edges good for morels.


I entirely agree with all of that.

[quote]
plus it would be a blinding insult to go to a site you shared and find it cropped with nothing left.
But I do think that involvong folk with nature is the easiest way to get them motivated about taking care of it. [quote]

I'm a big, big fan of sharing knowledge of foragng because there's no better way of making people care for what is around them than telling them how they can use what's there.

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And its good that more people are getting interested in foraging ( I just started my third wild food in the kitchen course at Impington village college ) and several people have suggested a local foragers group would be a good idea. I have a sense that the downsize community could work really well as a physical group, perhaps some kind of a get together to share recipes, produce gluts and walks in the country.? what do you and others here think? Most of my students this year have said how they would like to build their confidence in plant ID and this involves taking people out in the field. So far I've stuck to fairly large and relatively public sites and used the walks as a guide to what is around as opposed to a group forage.
I'd be interested to hear what people think of this dilemma - newbie foragers and seasoned ones.
jacky


Impington is on my regular foraging patch... We really must compare notes, you know.

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