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Ty Gwyn



Joined: 22 Sep 2010
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Location: Lampeter
PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 21 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

They used to pour it on the ground neat,it soon goes in.

Mistress Rose



Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 21 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

We used to sell blood, fish and bone fertiliser when I helped at our works gardening club years ago. There was always a distinct aroma to the garage we used at the back of the site.

sgt.colon



Joined: 27 Jul 2009
Posts: 7351
Location: Just south of north.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 21 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Thanks peeps.

I've got some BFB in the shed, so I'll sprinkle some around. How many times a year should I do this?

I've hold on of the self sacrifice at this point and see how the BFB does.

dpack



Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 42958
Location: yes
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 21 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

when is difficult

Samaine and Beltane are traditional, but the local conditions and weather pattern require a bit of tweaking

the autumn one needs to mature for spring without leaching and the spring one needs to mature before summer

BFB is a complex one to use direct, stuff detail go for traditional

wassailing might have been a yule blood feast for the trees, so a 3 part approach might cover it

i half suspect if you are fed up of black pud and fancy some wine, cider or jam spare blood at any time of year is helpful

sgt.colon



Joined: 27 Jul 2009
Posts: 7351
Location: Just south of north.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 21 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Here you go DPack, the other end of the vine. I am very pleased with it as I did think it had maybe died over last winter.




Also, does anyone know what has happened to my leeks? Thanks.



Ty Gwyn



Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 4455
Location: Lampeter
PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 21 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Look`s as though they needed more of a leak.

dpack



Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 42958
Location: yes
PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 21 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

too dry?
something eating the roots?
infection?

they dont look well, whatever it is

the vine looks splendid, they usually seem dead in the winter, if they sprout they were faking it.

Slim



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Posts: 6362
Location: New England (In the US of A)
PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 21 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Your photo isn't close enough for me to see well, but the first thing I would rule out is leek moth.

dpack



Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 42958
Location: yes
PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 21 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

weevils was tt's first thought, they were my second one

the damage is similar to weevils under chives

dig and sieve and show might help

ps weevils can be controlled with nematodes if they are the problem

Mistress Rose



Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 14366

PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 21 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Don't know about the leeks, but the vine looks good. I see you have it trained along the ridge of the greenhouse with the struts below it, so that should keep it in place. They do look very dead in winter; that is the time to prune, while the sap is down. After that, pinch out excess growth when it is young to avoid bleeding.

sgt.colon



Joined: 27 Jul 2009
Posts: 7351
Location: Just south of north.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 21 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Thanks on the leek info peeps. I'll give some soil a sieve and report back. Are they still edible or should I bin them all?

MR, thanks, I'm pleased with how well it has done. On the cutting back, do I cut it right back to the stems outside of the greenhouse or just give it a light haircut?

gz



Joined: 23 Jan 2009
Posts: 8010
Location: Ayrshire, Scotland
PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 21 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Definitely leek moth.
As far as I know, start on a clean site, grow under fine mesh and make sure that it is always clear of the leaves, however tall they grow.
It has been gradually moving North over the years, not sure how far it has got now.

Mistress Rose



Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 14366

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 21 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Cut back to the main stem however long that is. If it gets too long you can just trim the end, but that is where your side shoots which will bear fruit will come from. Eventually it will get quite thick and woody. There are other ways of training vines, but for a home sized greenhouse that works well as it doesn't shade other things lower down.

I am picking fruit from mine now. Quite small, but good flavour. Have lost some where the skin has split, and mould got in, but with a wetter summer this year and quite a lot of fruit thinning, it has done a lot better.

sgt.colon



Joined: 27 Jul 2009
Posts: 7351
Location: Just south of north.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 21 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Thank you GZ. I'll take better precautions new year.

Thank you as well MR. Another question, sorry. One of the main shoots comes in through the glass and then splits in to 4. So should I cut it right back to where it splits in to 4?

Mistress Rose



Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 14366

PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 21 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
    

Can you put up a picture of it? I think it will depend on how you want to train the vine, but without seeing it I can't really offer advice. If you can't perhaps give a full description of the stems from the point it enters the greenhouse.

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