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jema Downsizer Moderator
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 28220 Location: escaped from Swindon
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dpack
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jema Downsizer Moderator
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jema Downsizer Moderator
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Posted: Sun Sep 15, 24 10:05 am Post subject: |
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The following link is to the complete list of claims I have been compiling.
https://martindavidwalker.blogspot.com/2024/09/battery-claims.html
The new claims in the last week are as follows.
September 15th 2024, Catl launch 1.5 million km bus batteries
These batteries have a 10 year 1 million km warranty and are projected for a “service life” of 15 years which I feel might be misinterpreted as some kind of time limit on battery life where really it's a projection for a battery clocking up more than 1 million km.
https://cnevpost.com/2024/09/14/catl-launches-battery-electric-buses/
September 14th 2024, fly wheel storage goes live in China
No one has crunched the numbers here, but especially as it is the first of its kind I suspect it would have been expensive.
This though symbolises the problem of competing with fossil fuels in a market economy. Fossil fuel may be cheap at point of use, but the hidden costs are incomprehensibly high, the literally destruction of the eco system.
But despite this we demand renewables to be cheaper than fossil fuels.
https://www.ess-news.com/2024/09/13/china-connects-its-first-large-scale-flywheel-storage-project-to-grid/
September 11th 2024, Japan roll out 2.4 billion in domestic EV subsidies
If any final admission was needed, then this is it. The future is with batteries, everyone including Toyota with any clue knows this.
https://autodrive.com.bd/posts/japan-rolls-out-2-4-billion-in-domestic-ev-subsidies
September 11th 2024, Ilika goliath solid-state battery prototypes demonstrate superior safety.
Solid-state prototypes that are being sampled to OEMs.
https://www.ilika.com/latest-news/goliath-prototypes-demonstrate-superior-safety
September 11th 2024, Panasonic to begin mass production of 4680 battery cells
It's important to remember that 4860 is just a specification like saying an AA battery. The real questions will be how much? And how good? In comparison with what Tesla is able to do with its thus far problematic 4860 production.
https://thedriven.io/2024/09/11/step-change-panasonic-to-begin-mass-production-of-4680-ev-battery-cells/
September 9th 2024, Envsision produces the highest energy density grid storage battery
Grid storage batteries continue their journey towards commoditization. A lot of people think that Tesla will continue to make massive profits from grid storage, but I fail to see how long term.
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2024/09/09/envision-pushes-energy-storage-density-to-new-highs-with-8-mwh-20-foot-container/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook |
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tahir
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 45643 Location: Essex
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jema Downsizer Moderator
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 28220 Location: escaped from Swindon
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tahir
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 45643 Location: Essex
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Posted: Tue Sep 17, 24 11:42 am Post subject: |
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My BIL had an argument about the Gaza protests with my wife on Friday, we've been on quite a few of these marches so know from first hand evidence that there are all sorts of people at them, including a LOT of Jews. According to him (who's never been) there's been loads of trouble, pro Hamas chanting, police officers injured etc.
When challenged to produce proof "you need to look beyond the mainstream media" is the response, so yeah some randoms on Facebook or whatever have "the facts".
Look at what Trumps doing, facts are not important
Oh and in that vein I was talking to my brother about his Tesla the other day. It's 8 years old, never been serviced except for 2 brake inspections (optional), never had brake pads or discs (regenerative braking), and he says it's lost about 10 miles of range since new (the overinflated fictional range was 250 miles but he used to get 160-180 miles when new).
God knows how much money he's saved vs diesel or petrol in that time, would have had at least 6 services by now, a premium brand main dealer service must be £400.00. No clutch required, no brakes and discs, cheaper fuel, no road tax.... |
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Nicky cigreen
Joined: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 9837 Location: Devon, uk
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tahir
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Mistress Rose
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Nicky cigreen
Joined: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 9837 Location: Devon, uk
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tahir
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Nicky cigreen
Joined: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 9837 Location: Devon, uk
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Posted: Wed Sep 18, 24 10:18 am Post subject: |
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sadly i think wealth will always come into it because to be economical, you need to be able to charge the vehicle on your own home. and that is the select few.
We need early adopters to develop the mainstream, and we need buyers of new cars to create second hand cars, but it isn't a position everyone can afford to take.
I wonder what the mean average purchasing price of a car is to the uk public - I will attempt to find out. Certainly most of the people I associate with would struggle to find 20k for a car and most would need finance which is definitely part of the money equation.
I'm not asking questions to make a point, I am attempting to be informed. Mostly, it seems people are completely for or completely against EVs, whereas I am sure the answer lies somewhere in the middle and is variable depending on each individual case.
its good to know your brother's Tesla would still fetch a reasonable amount of money - I find myself put off completely by Musk supporting Trump... so even a second hand car has a sort of association! but as you say, there are other smaller makes and models, things have changed a lot just since the beginning of this thread! I'm convinced I will get an EV, eventually, but i want to be informed about my choice. (fiat e500 much more likely than a tesla!) |
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Slim
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Posts: 6606 Location: New England (In the US of A)
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tahir
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 45643 Location: Essex
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